Lambdadelta's Suggestions {Mode Settings, New Roles, etc.}

I'm not 100% sure I like the idea of a Detective role in Umineko. Along with the danger of having RPs revolving around only a handful of people, it can also limit the RP possibilities for the Witch. While there's "Red Truth" and "Blue Truth", the Witch isn't actually Beatrice. The Witch can be anything you want. For example, I've done RPs where the witch was obsessed with stealing other people's beautiful features and kills them for it. Introducing a Detective might make it too similar to Umineko—which is bad for people who don't know much about the series. (On that note, you might want to make the abilities of "Red Truth" and "Blue Truth" more clear, as I was only able to get the basic gist due to reading about them a long time ago. I'm still trying to figure out if it's just flavor or if they have any actual impact in-game, like "You will get stabbed" would cause the person to randomly get stabbed or something. I'm assuming it has SOME impact, but "The Red Truth can only be used to tell the absolute truth. Any lies will cause it to become useless" doesn't make it 100% clear...)

Although, on a related note, I think it would be helpful if you could include a "Role On/Off" toggle for individual players that would allow them to disable being randomly selected for roles in general. Some players don't WANT to play with a role; new players in particular may want to play a little bit and get the hang of the game before they spawn with the DN or the ability to transform into a butterfly. The toggle could be overridden if there aren't enough players, or if everyone has the role disabled.

I apologize for the double post. but...
Beatrice has no connection to the existence of a detective role. Willard and Dlanor were involved in plenty of cases, and Dlanor herself is basically a "Witch Hunter". I don't see anything at all that suggests the Witch has to be exactly like Beatrice, and my ideas for the Witch only give her abilities that all Witches already have the capability to do, even Bern and Lambda. It's nothing at all exclusive to Beatrice. Maybe if I were suggesting the Witch had 7 pieces of furniture and a stockpile of gold hidden in the school, then that accusation would make some sense, but right now I have no clue what exactly you're getting at by claiming the Witch's RP possibilities are "limited". There's nothing at all limited about them. "You're a witch and you can use magic, go troll some humans and make them believe in your existence." That's about as open-ended as it gets. The Red and Blue Truth exist without Beatrice too, so I'm just really confused at what your point is.

As for the detective, I strongly disagree about it being a bad idea. The only way the detective would steal the show is if the other students let them. Students can find evidence and make theories just as well as the detective. The only thing the detective should really have by default to help that are Van Dine and Knox's rules, and those rules aren't a certain "these will fuck over the witch" thing. Even with those rules, it's no guarantee the detective can handle everything on their own. Even Battler had a lot of help, granted his role as "the detective" in the series is highly debatable at times. I think the detective would add a lot to the mode, just like the detective adds a lot to Death Note mode. Why aren't you accusing the DN Mode Detective of being a bad idea for the same reasons? They have a huge advantage over other students towards figuring out who Kira is, even MORE than the Witch Detective would have, actually. The Witch Detective gets no special information, only some powerful "rules" to help them create theories. Nothing more, and nothing less. Meanwhile, the DN Detective knows pretty much everything about Kira aside from who they are. They know the exact method of killing, as it is right now, due to having a Death Note, and they presumably know that Kira is in the school during the lockdown.


Oh, and I'll gladly make a tutorial about the Truths somewhere in the forum as a guide for new players. In fact, I think I'll go make some general guide in general for Umineko mode, as it really is a bit harder to understand unless you've read the novels. I'll do my best, though.

Sorry about that, it just felt natural to go at Red with Blue, ha. I changed it to a lighter shade of blue, how does that look?

You reminded me that I was gonna make a list of Witch Power suggestions, though that might take me a bit to think up and elaborate on in detail.

Partly due to laziness, but still.

Anyway, the main thing with furniture I imagine is that they'd be able to use the Red, as well as possibly bypass doors in some way, but not go through walls. That'd give them access to just about every place a witch would, but less mobility in comparison. They'd probably have some form of increased damage too, maybe? The most important part though, in my opinion, is figuring out exactly what sort of limit to place on the amount of possible furniture. A set number? A percentage of the total players in the game? And even then, what should that number or percentage be? I was thinking maybe 15-20% of the total players would likely be fine, with a minimum of 1 furniture unless there's some ridiculously small amount of players like 3-4. I think once the player count hits 5, it may be fine enough for there to be 1 piece of furniture, but from that point on I'm not sure when to let it go up. Maybe +1 maximum furniture for every 4 total players, not counting the witch herself, to an absolute max of 3 or 4 furniture? So that'd be...

2-4 players: 0 furniture
5-7 players: 1 furniture
8-11 players: 2 furniture
12-15 players: 3 furniture
16+ players: 4 furniture

That actually sounds pretty decent, in my opinion. What do you guys think? It could be cut back to 3 max furniture though, to be honest, since now that I think about it 4 is kinda excessive. A witch with 3 pieces of furniture should cause more than enough trouble even for a group of nearly 20 players, assuming all furniture has superhuman capability.

I do believe that "Furniture", though I never heard of them until I read this (In relation to Misuterii High, I'm more of a Higurashi fan than Umineko fan, and more of a Tsukihime/Kagetsu Tohya/Melty Blood fan [All time favorite series, actually.] than Higurashi fan.), would be a pretty nice addition to the game if both the ma'am and sir's methods and/or ideas from the two posts above are incorporated into it.

Yeah, I know, I got that from reading your suggestions.