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Post by soad103 on Apr 7, 2015 21:40:39 GMT
Byond key(s): Tawheed15, Lostsouls123, Bkmostwatned,Goku40
Server banned from: Metafrosty's
Host/Minihost banned by: Zantus
Reason for ban: To be honest I have no idea
Why You should be Unbanned:
My party should be unbanned becasue our ban was unjust in the first place. I believe our ban was based upon racism/discrimination upon the subject material we were roleplaying about.
For starters, we were roleplaying as a group of friends who wanted to extort our power upon the school, during Death Note mode. We decided we would be the antagonists of the round's plot but at the same time we also declared that we would not use any sort of direct violence without roleplaying first. Our group began with four individuals, two of which were completely new and had never played Mitsuterii or Mtiadake High (Bkmostwanted, Goku40), so my friend (Lostsouls123) and I were showing them how to play. We had bats, and spray cans so we were roleplaying as a gang, and we committed no direct violence. The worst we did was push people around, while roleplaying at the same time. We also recruited other players to join us, one of those players was Kira.
The moment we were all banned, a detective approached us and started questioning us. The tensions were high, and one of our group members decided to stab the detective. Afterwards there was a lot of hysteria and everyone began to start fighting, worried the detective would retaliate.
A few things about this
1. The person who stabbed the detective was not originally from our party. She was someone we recruited
2. That attack was not planned in the least. In fact we had no idea why she even stabbed the detective
3. It is important to note that the attacker at least Rped her attack.
In short, this ban was unfair because the moderator, Zantus, did not investigate the situation to the full and banned all of us indiscriminately. I have reasons to believe his motives were led by discrimination against African-Americans. This shouldn't be a surprise to hear, as from what I've seen many players from Mitsuterii high tend to express extremely racist remarks about African-Americans (I always hear people stating the word "Nigga", or "Niggers" repeatedly in extremely offensive ways).
My party is not guilty of breaking any of the rules and I request that the honorable and humble powers that be to give us our justice and allow us to play this wonderful game.
Sincerely,
Tawheed15
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Post by soad103 on Apr 7, 2015 22:45:47 GMT
Edit: The previous posts are not reflective of what I had originally posted. It seems that someone has been editing my posts and erasing everything that I had written. One hour ago my posts were "I don't want to play this game anymore". Even my password was changed. I have no idea who/what is doing this but I request that this too be investigated.
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Post by Egil on Apr 8, 2015 10:45:08 GMT
I'll look into who was editing your posts. As for the unban, that'll be up to the one that banned you (Zantus) or an admin to respond.
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Post by MetaFrosty on Apr 8, 2015 12:21:55 GMT
According to the security log, you edited your own post. No, nobody changed your password, these edits came from the same IP that you registered with.
You realize that this doesn't put you in the best light, nor does claiming that the mods acted based on racism when they quite literally had no idea who was behind the Key.
I'll leave it up to Zantus to make a full response and make a decision, but I recommend you come clean and be honest instead of trying to manipulative the situation into your favour.
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Post by Zantus on Apr 9, 2015 5:07:26 GMT
Damn it, I forgot to post my reply.
I'll need a full post, unedited from you until I can make a decision. For now, keeping you banned. It'd be safer if you created a new forum account since you claim someone may have hacked into yours.
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Post by soad103 on Apr 9, 2015 18:48:43 GMT
I assure you that I am being entirely honest. I am not fabricating anything, and my accusations that the mods have acted on racism are entirely justified.
1. I have no idea who/what edited my posts. I assure you it was not me and I am not trying to make anything up. If it was from the same IP, then it's probably from an old virus that's entered my internet that's been bothering me for a while (I've had an issue where the passwords to my BYOND accounts have been changed and their correlating emails. No idea what is causing this either, but trust me on this I am not making anything up).
2. I have reason to believe this is based on racism because the nature of our roleplay was "gang" related. There were several complaints coming from the players in the OOC channel about the way we were roleplaying. Several of them were requesting bans for everyone in my party, even though we were not breaking any of the rules. Like I said earlier, I have reason to believe this is part of the racial stigma that is part of Mitsuterri High and I'm bringing this up because this must be addressed. Do not ignore this, because this is a prevalent problem in your community that must be solved. Comments from people who constantly like to use the terms "Niggers", "Nigga", the banning of these terms need to be enforced from moderators, because presently it seems as if no one cares if anyone is exchanging racial slurs.
3. From Metafrosty's post it seems as if there is an assumption that I am trying to manipulative? I am trying to do nothing of that sort, what could I possibly gain from trying to be manipulative and there is no possible way for me to be manipulative. I'm merely addressing my concerns with your community through my ban appeal, because I believe my ban was associated with some sort of racial stigma or community bias.
4. This edited post is similar to the original version. I tried to replicate my previous thoughts that I had posted. Is there really any reason to create another post since this one highlights all of my claims?
5. No one has addressed if this ban was just or unjust yet
6. I'll probably make another account since this one is compromised, please confirm for me if this is entirely necessary for me to create another account and another post (although if I do make another post, it will be very similar to this one, I am not changing any of my points or my stance against the racism in this community)
7. It also seems to me as if contesting a ban is taboo here. Am I supposed to apologize for something to get unbanned? If so what exactly am I apologizing for if I haven't done anything wrong? Further, my party members are completely innocent so what do they have to apologize for? Two of them are new players who were experiencing the game for the first time.
All I ask is for a serious consideration of my points, please do not regard them as a means of manipulation or even as a form of trolling.
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Post by Kamuna on Apr 9, 2015 19:40:20 GMT
I haven't been on Misuterii for a while, but if there has been racism, it must have started recently. I believe that at least most people on Misuterii are either indifferent or against racism. They should know better anyway, since the game was programmed by a person with double, or perhaps even triple, depending on how you look at it, minority, one of those minorities being black. So they should be aware that minorities can achieve great things, and that they would probably not be playing the Misuterii they have today without one. Any time someone says a potentially racial slur, people get angrier at them than I do, and I often have to calm them down and say that it shouldn't be offensive. So my point is, while from your story, I don't believe you should have been banned (of course, that's only based on your side of the story), I doubt that the reasons for you being banned were based on racism.
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Post by soad103 on Apr 9, 2015 21:00:30 GMT
Perhaps it might be a stretch to accuse the mods of being racist, which I apologize for if that is not the case, however please understand where I am coming from. From my point of view, it seemed as if the ban was completely random because bottom line, we did not break any rules. In fact my party was extremely confused as to why we were banned. The only conclusion we came to was, race, considering we were all minorities and because we were roleplaying as a gang. That is the only reason why I assumed that a moderator was racist, also because of the general attitude of the community, with them asking for us to be booted because of our style of roleplay.
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Post by niiniisatoshi on Apr 9, 2015 22:40:47 GMT
It's not a race thing. Gangs are a typical tactic of RK groups, and the way you guys acted in that round matched up with the exact way that trolls tend to act when they intend to do so. It's not that people were calling for you to be booted because you were... well, I'm just going to bluntly call out your accusation, "acting black", but because you were acting like the typical RK group.
As far as the use of the N word, that's.. been mutable in all forms for a long time now, it's just that a lot of the time we don't really catch it.
Also I just.... want to point this out. Group unban requests likely shouldn't be done. You're kind of arguing for the unban of people unrelated to you, which you kinda.. can't do. Even if multiple people are banned as a group, it's kind of up to each person to plead their own case. Considering your collective feelings on the subject, however, I can excuse that because you have a legitimate gripe. I can confirm, however, that there was absolutely no thoughts to race involved from even the community when this situation occurred.
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Post by soad103 on Apr 9, 2015 22:48:11 GMT
I'm not entirely sure what the requisites are to be a RK group or to even act as one, but I assure you, RKing was not in our attention, as I addressed earlier. We were not random attacking at all, or even killing anyone for that matter. If you check the logs, none of us committed any direct acts of violence except for pushing, which we presumed was harmless since the player took no damage from it. Even when the pushing was too aggressive, or the roleplay was too extreme, I tried my best to advise the group to stray away from extreme conduct, because I knew it would upset the community. But the accusation that we were a RK group is completely false. Sure, plenty of people use gangs as an excuse for rking (maybe that was the reason why some random person decided to RA in our group, whom we had no affiliation with outside of the game), but please don't put us with the rest of the pack because RKing was not in our interest. What purpose would rking even serve if it's only to get us all banned, which inevitably happened.
Maybe this will all be cleared up if any of you could elaborate on what it means to "act" as a RK group, because I haven't the slightest clue.
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Post by Zantus on Apr 10, 2015 5:33:24 GMT
Regarding the race thing - no, I definitely did NOT ban you and your friends for that. In fact, the people that threw out the N-word was unrelated to your group. I apologize that you thought it was the case.
All of you were banned mostly due to the RA (but like you explained, it had about nothing to do with your original group), your roleplay seemed out of control after it and most assumed you /were/ an 'RK group'. I did warn at least one of your friends, before the ban but there was no response. Also, I remember your friends calling out each others' keys through IC to recognize each other when all of you gathered in the Music room. I warned them for this, as well.
This is enough for an unban since you explained the misconception, however I'd still prefer if you posted once again on a new thread, with a new account. It'll be safer this way.
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Post by Egil on Apr 10, 2015 15:12:26 GMT
I still don't see why we punish folks for yelling out their keys via OOC when doing so just drives them to pager/skype to form alliances/groups and those are just as obvious. *shrug*
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