chaayal
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Post by chaayal on Dec 17, 2014 0:55:20 GMT
Byond key:Chaayal Server banned from:MetaFrosty's Shell Server Host/Minihost you were banned by:WolfShock Reason for ban: O.W.L.S, Griefing, Metagaming. Why you should be unbanned: O.W.L.S ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, I was messaged about how i'm going to stay banned, for being the Leader of 'O.W.L.S.' and is apparently my fault they're breaking rules.....The hell? How can I just command someone to break rules? Even I know better than that, I wouldn't just give someone trouble, i'm not into that kind of stuff. Then you guys just assume that I literally told them to break rules. No. It's not like that. I can't just control someone like that despite being the leader of 'O.W.L.S'. I'm the leader of O.W.L.S because i'm the one who created that group, we're not a bunch of cyber criminals gathering just to break rules on such a game like this. Like I don't start nothing when it comes to their actions, they make their own decisions. And if it's bad I usually go after them and tell them to stop it.I've stopped many close-call rule breaking from them. Also i've stopped many arguements when it comes to my fellow O.W.L.S members and some random guy, unless they truly have a point. This half was just made to make you guys reconsider about your assumptions. Griefing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well.......How was I griefing? I wasn't told how. Metagaming ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of every RP game and Misu server i've been through no one has ever told me grouping with friends was metagaming. So, i'm truly sorry about how me and O.W.L.S have acted in this server and will think hard about our decisions. That is all. : )
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Charlie
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Post by Charlie on Dec 17, 2014 1:07:52 GMT
As Frosty had said when creating this section, please follow the proper format for unban appeals. Thank you.
That's the proper format, quoted from Frosty's post, so that you know what format you're supposed to be using. Although, it says to read it before starting your own thread.
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chaayal
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Post by chaayal on Dec 17, 2014 1:17:51 GMT
I've read it, but I just forgot about it due to this browser resetting itself. Sorry about that. It's edited now.
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Post by Wolfshock on Dec 17, 2014 18:53:10 GMT
Whilst I was initially the one who banned you, it was ultimately not my decision to keep you permabanned, and as such, I will be leaving the explaining to those that came to that decision.
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chaayal
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Post by chaayal on Dec 17, 2014 20:38:37 GMT
Uuuhm, okay.
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Post by Charlie on Dec 17, 2014 20:49:20 GMT
You have no proof to back up that you all aren't a group of RKers and/or rulebreakers who seek to grief for your own amusement, therefore it doesn't matter whether you claim you don't do it. If you can prove that you don't do it? (Which is very far from likely that you can actually PROVE that.) Maybe we'll reconsider the ban.
Moving on from that..
You were all told multiple times how you were griefing, even told NOT to do it. It's not as if you had zero knowledge of the griefing or that you had no idea what the griefing was. You simply ignored that you were being warned and continued to do so. Feigning innocence and ignorance after being banned will not help you; It might actually harm you to feign too much innocence since we'd be more likely to unban you if you were completely honest about every rule break you had done. Anyways, back to the topic of the griefing... It's griefing to team up with your friends, cause problems, etc. This is also bringing into the account that this had happened on multiple occasions and not just once? You were all caught finding each other OOCly, acting as if you all knew each other every round, killing people and ruining fun for others. Ruining fun for others and causing problems are both griefing.
I have a very hard time believing that one. Besides that, I'm aware of you being warned on this server about it. Whether or not you had been warned on other games or servers isn't relevant to this situation and doesn't matter. If you're warned on the server you're playing on about breaking a rule, you can't simply say that you were never warned for it elsewhere. As much fun as it'd be to use that as an excuse anytime something went wrong, no one can use that as an excuse. If I were to join a game and cause problems, then say that I was allowed to cause said problems on other games, do you think that'd be completely fine with the admins on that game? I believe I'd be digging myself into a deeper hole rather than getting myself out of it.
The decision to keep you banned has been decided and you won't be unbanned simply because you feign ignorance or innocence. Some advice for the future? Try to own up to the rules you break, listen to the people who told you that you broke them, then move on from there. Continuing to break the rules and pretend you have no idea what you're doing wrong will get you nowhere but kicked out the door. If you'd like to make an actual argument as to why you should be unbanned, go ahead and try it, but as it stands right now? You have no chance of being unbanned.
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chaayal
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Post by chaayal on Dec 17, 2014 22:26:25 GMT
I honestly have no idea how I was griefing, they ruined their own fun just by trying to kill me. But oh well. Logs plx.
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Post by Charlie on Dec 18, 2014 1:40:47 GMT
I had told you exactly how you were griefing and why you couldn't do it. You were told multiple times about it, too, as I had said before? I have no reason to list the things you did that are considered griefing again when you can just reread my original response. If you think that isn't considered griefing then you're sadly mistaken. Anyways, no one 'ruined their own fun'. If a team of people are running around and killing all that oppose them, that's kinda not them ruining their own fun. That's a bunch of rulebreakers helping each other out by killing people. I mean, I don't mind teaming up with random people or even teaming up with your best buddies, but killing people in the process and seeming to just find excuses to do so? That's not alright any way that you look at it.
As far as the logs go? I have a single thing of logs where you ruined the fun for others, then ended up being banned with your buddies. It's rather long and it doesn't have much of what you did in it due to whoever was watching was not spectating you, but I figure it's as much as you'll get since I wasn't there and I didn't ban you for THAT reason.
But, honestly, the reason you're staying banned is due to the past events with the teaming, not just that round. If it were for that single round? I'd find that to be pretty messed up, honestly, but it's not. It's a problem that's been repeating itself nearly anytime you and your friends were in a round together which led us (not just me) to believe that you were the issue. For good reason, though, since we had been given proof that you were their 'leader'. You even admitted that much, yourself. I'm not saying you should be responsible for every single thing your friends did, because they'll be banned in due time if they continue to break rules (which they should all realize by now), but you are responsible for your own actions, obviously. If you had never messed up in the first place, no one would have suspected you of anything. In the future, don't make yourself a problem and you won't be in trouble for it. I, personally, had warned you plenty of times, myself. Honestly, everyone had wanted to ban you on multiple occasions but I said you'd straighten up. It's your own fault that you did not.
Aside from everything else that I've stated, I'd like you to actually prove a good point as to why you should be unbanned. I mean, yeah, I get that you don't want to be banned? Who does? I don't know many people who really want to be banned. You should try to prove your innocence and make a good point as to why you should be unbanned, then you may be given another chance. Until then, I'm not so sure that asking for an unban is in your best interest. It may make us think that you don't deserve one if you put no effort into it. Prove your innocence, make a good point as to why you deserve an unban and then see where it goes from there.
Edited the logs out due to you guys obviously trying to use them against people since you can't make a legitimate argument as to why Chaayal should be unbanned. (Which, by the way, good way to get all of you banned. All that participate in it will probably be subject to a ban. Fair warning.) We don't care about the logs, of course, but it has personal information of a moderator and we'll ban anyone who tries to use the logs against anyone. Side note: Complain like children with the logs all you want, anything else will have you banned.
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chaayal
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Post by chaayal on Dec 23, 2014 20:23:59 GMT
'Personal information of a moderator.'...You shouldn't be giving out personal information out in the first place, and if you're that secure about you and the mods talking about whatever, censor that stuff out. And I'm not trying to use the logs against anyone, I just want to see the stuff I've done and explain the situation, if I remember it correctly. Sooooo....
Logs plx.
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Post by Wolfshock on Dec 24, 2014 21:04:55 GMT
your behaviour during the round in question (which the logs correlate to) was enough to get anybody banned, but ultimately, it was your ignorant attitude and unwillingness to make amends that led to your permaban. this was not a decision that heartless came to by himself; it was something that was discussed with all of the staff at some point or another, and we all came to the same conclusion.
you can't just demand logs and blatantly dismiss the points being made in every single reply to your unban request. you have given us no indication whatsoever that you and your skype group of friends weren't simply trying to cause trouble and piss off as many players as possible. it might have been funny to you guys, but at the end of the day, you broke rules and we banned you for it.
i don't know what possessed any of you to run around during a psycho pass round shouting out real life protest slogans and calling out the in-game roles for 'police brutality', relating to an event which is so widely known to be extremely tense and political, but i'll make it clear to you:
you had absolutely no reason to behave in such a pathetic way beyond trying to incite drama. that's griefing.
that's not the kind of behaviour we expect to see from anybody, let alone a player who has been warned before. you yourself have claimed 'leadership' of an out of game skype group of players that, when playing together, have proven to do nothing but break rules and try to be as hostile as possible to other players. we had already warned everybody involved several times; i find it very hard to believe those warnings were never noticed by you, since you were in many of the rounds in question. i don't know why you're playing dumb.
if you had a point to make regarding your permaban you would have made it already. the only thing for you to do at this point would be to apologize and whilst it would certainly be appreciated, it simply wouldn't be good enough, so your permaban is staying.
i'm locking this thread.
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