Post by tockz on Dec 14, 2014 21:31:05 GMT
Before I get into it, I would like to start off by saying that this is not a personal attack on Wolfshock as a person, nor is it me ranting and raving because "Wolfy's being mean to me." I just want to bring up what -I- see as injustices, for them to be reviews by his piers. I'm not a fool I do realize the mods don't report other mods and I don't expect this to change anything in any major degree. I just hope that if its known to the public, Wolfshock himself, as well as the other mods will keep there power usage in check.
Okay! Now for the actual report.
Username: Tockz
Reporting: Wolfshock
Reason: Admin abuse
Evidence of this:
You can read all of the logs in question on Pigs ban appeal, here.
(http://misuteriihigh.boards.net/thread/218/delete-proper-unban-re?page=1&scrollTo=922)
Alright, the first and most recent example of this is against PigBearMan. PigBearMan was banned for two days(later shortened to one) for Passive agressive OCC/ Not Dropping Drama. The logs that Wolfshock posted as evidence for his ban, consisted of Pig just trying to get caught up, and questioning the situation in which his friends where involved in.
Now I'll explain how I think this is a form of admin abuse:
If a player was asking questions about bans, or asking if playing the game with OOC friends was really against the rules, does he really deserve a two day(later shortened to one day) ban? There are any number of punishments that could have been handed out to an unruly player. (I.E. Mute, Kick, 1 Round Ban) All of these don't involve removing the player from the game, and would have been much more preferable methods. If you do not want to -deal- with a player questioning moderation, then don't be a moderator.
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Next up is Wolfshocks need to throw around his power in order to silence players questioning his calls.
Players involved: Tockz, Kida Masaomi
Mods present: Gold Girl, Wolfshock, Nii-Nii Satoshi
Evidence:
Logs in question can be found here: i.imgur.com/WOn7VTn.png?1
After I had received Skype spam about everything going on, I skimmed through the logs and saw that it was all, more or less, justified. Excluding Pig's ban, I didn't see any evidence as to what he did. I logged in to ask for logs and reasoning, I was told that only the banned player may ask for the logs. After three or so minutes of me debating the call.
(p.s. I did ask whether or not he would prefer I discussed it in watcher, or on the forum. He didn't respond, so I assumed watcher was alright.)
As the log shows, in the middle of me asking him for the log justification for Pig's two day(later moved to one day) ban, he told me that it did not involve me and that if me and Kida kept bring it up, we would be banned. Gold Girl immediately interjected and said that a ban was to much. He revised his threat to a kick.
I understand that being a mod can be a headache, I've modded dozens of BYOND servers, Private servers, and various game servers. I get it. Though a ban might solve the problem quickly, it is not the way to handle every player that questions your decisions. We are all players that want to play the game. Yes we will get upset when we are ban. Yes a lot of the time, the ban is justified. Doesn't mean you don't have to hear them out. Who knows? You might have made a bad call.
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Lastly is the ban I received a day after coming back to MH.
Player in question: Tockz
Reporting: Wolfshock
Reason: Admin abuse
Reason for ban: Threatening to RK, Disrespecting players.
Evidence:
Sadly, I did not record any of this. When I was banned, I alt+f4'd, losing all logs. Someone might have them, I do not and if you wish to stop reading that's fine.
On game start, I was RPing a relatively quite guy who did not like confrontation, though when faced with it became violent(Non-lethally so). Before I could even begin this RP, three players (one or two of which had rushed bats) cornered me in a room and began KOing me, looting me, and KOing over and over again. On the 8th or 9th KO, I sent them an IC OOC message saying that "You had better kill me before I turn this into an RK round you fucking faggots.", and I will admit that I was rash in saying so. Granted, I was being RA'd by three players, then KO'd over and over again. So I was (in my mind) understandably upset. One of the three RAing me decided to report me for calling him a faggot. When I was confronted by it in all-chat, I decided I should just remove myself from the game before it progressed into something worse. The moment I entered watcher chat, I was banned. Wolfshock did no hear me out, he did not read my reports, and to my knowledge none of the three players RAing/Rushing where punished.
I sent Wolf multiple pages trying to explain the situation, he responded with "You know your past, you have been warned already, I'm not going to argue this." and promptly began ignoring my pages. I paged Frost, and Skyped Charlie to let them know what was going on, I asked that I not be unbanned, because I felt that I should be punished for lashing out the way I did and not taking advantage of the report system. This however, does not change the fact that I was BANNED for 24 hours, for saying I WOULD do somthing (never doing it, nor have I done it since) because of how I acted when I was a 16 year old kid(21 now.). And for calling RAers "faggots".
How it should have been handled:
The report system should have been explained to me, a round ban should have been places, and the 3 RAer/Rushers should have been booted, and given the same round ban.
How it was handled:
I was banned for a day.
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That is it for my report, its up to the mods how they wish to proceed. I would however, like to say again that this is NOT an attack on Wolf as a person, I think he is a great guy, he just may not be suited for a position of power.
And to the Mods who are(might) reading this, you cant just ban a player to make a problem go away. Hear them out and punish accordingly. Its your job to do so.
Thanks for reading, and have a good day.
-Tockz
Okay! Now for the actual report.
Username: Tockz
Reporting: Wolfshock
Reason: Admin abuse
Evidence of this:
You can read all of the logs in question on Pigs ban appeal, here.
(http://misuteriihigh.boards.net/thread/218/delete-proper-unban-re?page=1&scrollTo=922)
Alright, the first and most recent example of this is against PigBearMan. PigBearMan was banned for two days(later shortened to one) for Passive agressive OCC/ Not Dropping Drama. The logs that Wolfshock posted as evidence for his ban, consisted of Pig just trying to get caught up, and questioning the situation in which his friends where involved in.
Now I'll explain how I think this is a form of admin abuse:
If a player was asking questions about bans, or asking if playing the game with OOC friends was really against the rules, does he really deserve a two day(later shortened to one day) ban? There are any number of punishments that could have been handed out to an unruly player. (I.E. Mute, Kick, 1 Round Ban) All of these don't involve removing the player from the game, and would have been much more preferable methods. If you do not want to -deal- with a player questioning moderation, then don't be a moderator.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Next up is Wolfshocks need to throw around his power in order to silence players questioning his calls.
Players involved: Tockz, Kida Masaomi
Mods present: Gold Girl, Wolfshock, Nii-Nii Satoshi
Evidence:
Logs in question can be found here: i.imgur.com/WOn7VTn.png?1
After I had received Skype spam about everything going on, I skimmed through the logs and saw that it was all, more or less, justified. Excluding Pig's ban, I didn't see any evidence as to what he did. I logged in to ask for logs and reasoning, I was told that only the banned player may ask for the logs. After three or so minutes of me debating the call.
(p.s. I did ask whether or not he would prefer I discussed it in watcher, or on the forum. He didn't respond, so I assumed watcher was alright.)
As the log shows, in the middle of me asking him for the log justification for Pig's two day(later moved to one day) ban, he told me that it did not involve me and that if me and Kida kept bring it up, we would be banned. Gold Girl immediately interjected and said that a ban was to much. He revised his threat to a kick.
I understand that being a mod can be a headache, I've modded dozens of BYOND servers, Private servers, and various game servers. I get it. Though a ban might solve the problem quickly, it is not the way to handle every player that questions your decisions. We are all players that want to play the game. Yes we will get upset when we are ban. Yes a lot of the time, the ban is justified. Doesn't mean you don't have to hear them out. Who knows? You might have made a bad call.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Lastly is the ban I received a day after coming back to MH.
Player in question: Tockz
Reporting: Wolfshock
Reason: Admin abuse
Reason for ban: Threatening to RK, Disrespecting players.
Evidence:
Sadly, I did not record any of this. When I was banned, I alt+f4'd, losing all logs. Someone might have them, I do not and if you wish to stop reading that's fine.
On game start, I was RPing a relatively quite guy who did not like confrontation, though when faced with it became violent(Non-lethally so). Before I could even begin this RP, three players (one or two of which had rushed bats) cornered me in a room and began KOing me, looting me, and KOing over and over again. On the 8th or 9th KO, I sent them an IC OOC message saying that "You had better kill me before I turn this into an RK round you fucking faggots.", and I will admit that I was rash in saying so. Granted, I was being RA'd by three players, then KO'd over and over again. So I was (in my mind) understandably upset. One of the three RAing me decided to report me for calling him a faggot. When I was confronted by it in all-chat, I decided I should just remove myself from the game before it progressed into something worse. The moment I entered watcher chat, I was banned. Wolfshock did no hear me out, he did not read my reports, and to my knowledge none of the three players RAing/Rushing where punished.
I sent Wolf multiple pages trying to explain the situation, he responded with "You know your past, you have been warned already, I'm not going to argue this." and promptly began ignoring my pages. I paged Frost, and Skyped Charlie to let them know what was going on, I asked that I not be unbanned, because I felt that I should be punished for lashing out the way I did and not taking advantage of the report system. This however, does not change the fact that I was BANNED for 24 hours, for saying I WOULD do somthing (never doing it, nor have I done it since) because of how I acted when I was a 16 year old kid(21 now.). And for calling RAers "faggots".
How it should have been handled:
The report system should have been explained to me, a round ban should have been places, and the 3 RAer/Rushers should have been booted, and given the same round ban.
How it was handled:
I was banned for a day.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________
That is it for my report, its up to the mods how they wish to proceed. I would however, like to say again that this is NOT an attack on Wolf as a person, I think he is a great guy, he just may not be suited for a position of power.
And to the Mods who are(might) reading this, you cant just ban a player to make a problem go away. Hear them out and punish accordingly. Its your job to do so.
Thanks for reading, and have a good day.
-Tockz
