Post by Tanasinn on Dec 13, 2014 8:49:47 GMT
So, as basically anyone who would end up checking this thread knows, I am permanently banned from Frosty's server. This thread is to serve as both a sort of appeal, as well as making the entire situation entirely transparent. I was, in short, banned on three seperate reasons that were all false, which I will go over.
To begin with, about two days after the ban, I tried to talk to Frosty about it. This is the log of what was said.
pastebin.com/QVq71kBz
The important line, at the moment, is the sixth. "(3:00:58 am) MetaFrosty: Largely because your hostility in the community drove away a number of players and you'd been given far more chances than you honestly deserved."
The examples given for 'driving away a number of players' are Gold Girl and Sarah.
Sarah hosted months and months ago, and was the 'main' host when I first started playing Misuterii. They quit within the first month I played the game, and I spent maybe a grand total of two weeks on their server. Maybe three. My interactions with Sarah were nil, and there are logs of Sarah themselves saying that I had nothing to do with why they left. Anyone who paid any attention to that entire timespan would realize it's basically impossible for me to have driven Sarah away from the community. I was brand new to the game, and if I was causing any sorts of problems, I'd have simply been banned. If I had somehow done it, people would have mentioned it before now, which is months after the fact. The source of the claims are unknown, but there are logs of Satoshi accusing me of it - pastebin.com/pSUAEzBr - specifically lines three through five of that log.
As for Gold Girl, there are logs of them explaining how I 'drove them away'. pastebin.com/H6HQX8Lx - Lines 307-321 are their explanation. What actually happened during the round they mentioned was that they were making disruptive comments in chat with colors and such, and I told them to stop since people were trying to play and it was disruptive. Their response was to do it more, claiming that they'd stop when I wasn't being a 'whiny bitch' about it. A couple other people also asked them to stop, and they continued to do it more and harass them as well, on top of continually calling me a 'bitch'. So, I reported it, as per rule one of Frosty's server(If someone is breaking the rules, it will not help to start an argument. Instead, use the report function under "Functions" with a detailed description of the problem and logs of the incident, if possible.). That was the extent of my involvement with Gold Girl, which means this particular example is me being punished for following the rules of the server, and someone apparently being 'scared' that the rules would actually be enforced on them.
With those two hilariously pointless examples out of the way, it leaves the 'more chances than you deserved' bit. This implies that I did something wrong during the round I was banned in. However, as I fully explained in the conversation with Frosty, I violated no rules and only defended myself from an RA, the killer, and the accomplice. The round itself was a horrible mess, as it was directly after two normals were vote ended in the first two minutes back to back. Nobody was playing seriously, everyone was running around and not really roleplaying, it was a mess of a round on par with a Shrek or Cory round. Even then, I put a bit of effort into roleplaying, emoting my attacks even when attacked randomly, warning people I'd attack them if they did something, the usual things. They also wanted to ban Chaayal and Super, despite neither of them doing anything wrong either.
The 'more chances' is the confusing bit. There was only one time I had ever even been remotely in trouble, and it was for supposedly only killing males. However, the round I was accused of doing this was a Death Note round where I, as Kira, killed every last student. Despite this, however, I was accused of specifically targetting guys and was told very clearly I'd be banned if I continued to 'target' guys. There was also talk of how it was somehow a long-standing problem that had been discussed by everyone for a long time, even though nobody knew what was being talked about at all. Somehow, I have to assume this equally absurd case was these 'more chances than I deserved'. Personally, I feel it's hardly a 'chance' if you're never told about it, but there was never any clarification about what 'chances' I was given. Further, if I was in the middle of having been given a chance, I hardly fail to see how I did something wrong with that chance.
So, I am currently banned for the following - Existing during the same time as Sarah, reporting someone as per the rules of Frosty's server, and existing in a round where people could try to pin things on me. Every single thing that was levelled against me is easily and quickly demonstrated as outright false, with evidence and confessions from the people I supposedly wronged that it wasn't the way it was presented to me.
This brings me to how I am supposedly too hostile for the community.
In the second log - pastebin.com/pSUAEzBr - We have things such as Gold Girl saying that me not interacting with them and instead reporting them is me 'whining to get them banned'(Line 42), Witch of Miracles Bernkastel talking about sending me pager harassment and then talking about how they want to torture me to death(lines 66, 148-153, 203-208), and all with Frosty saying nothing. Somehow, me reporting someone as per the rules is more hostile than talking about wanting to torture someone to death.
I have also recieved some pager harassment from Lorenzo2, after my ban, which was apparently coordinated in chat on Frosty's server with nobody stepping in - (2:38:05 pm) LORENZO2: Transvestite,derp. (2:38:08 pm) LORENZO2: There,I did it.
Then, in the third log - pastebin.com/H6HQX8Lx - There are instances of Frosty linking pictures insulting me and saying I deserved the ban for daring to be upset on my own time in my own server when talking to people I know about the ban, and then saying I broke rules by killing male players and was in the wrong to follow the demand not to kill males(Lines 238, 187-190, 198-211), as well as outright saying they 'don't believe' that I had nothing to do with Sarah quitting after Sarah had already been personally asked(lines 278-291). The bit about deserving the ban for being upset is especially ludicrous, because it's like someone walking up to you at random, hitting you in the face as hard as possible, and then saying you deserved it for being upset when you get upset afterwards.
So, supposedly, I am too hostile for the community, while people can insult me freely, lie about things I couldn't have done, lie and twist the situation that multiple people witnessed, as well as link and make things directly insulting me without it being hostile. It's a ridiculous double standard, and makes no sense. Not to mention that for a couple weeks straight, people were instantly jumping on and insulting everyone who said anything even remotely negative about me. It seems that, so long as the hostility is directed at someone the community dislikes, Frosty doesn't care at all.
The whole situation is incredibly absurd, and only made worse by Frosty's reluctance to actually discuss things. Despite me supposedly causing so many problems, including apparently being part of some kind of 'hoarder list' on that server, nobody ever says anything to me about it other than the one time to complain I was killing males, as the killer.
So, hopefully, this will at least help all two of you who read this entire mess of crap to understand the situation, and help make it so that when I end up quitting due to the constant harassment I don't get remembered as some crazy RKer who did nothing but harass people, when that's not a thing I ever have done. That is, assuming this doesn't get instantly deleted for being too hostile.
To make the thread more fun for the people who actually read the monstrous wall of text, why don't you reply with how you'd personally like to torture me to death? Methods and everything, because it's apparently allowed by Frosty.
To begin with, about two days after the ban, I tried to talk to Frosty about it. This is the log of what was said.
pastebin.com/QVq71kBz
The important line, at the moment, is the sixth. "(3:00:58 am) MetaFrosty: Largely because your hostility in the community drove away a number of players and you'd been given far more chances than you honestly deserved."
The examples given for 'driving away a number of players' are Gold Girl and Sarah.
Sarah hosted months and months ago, and was the 'main' host when I first started playing Misuterii. They quit within the first month I played the game, and I spent maybe a grand total of two weeks on their server. Maybe three. My interactions with Sarah were nil, and there are logs of Sarah themselves saying that I had nothing to do with why they left. Anyone who paid any attention to that entire timespan would realize it's basically impossible for me to have driven Sarah away from the community. I was brand new to the game, and if I was causing any sorts of problems, I'd have simply been banned. If I had somehow done it, people would have mentioned it before now, which is months after the fact. The source of the claims are unknown, but there are logs of Satoshi accusing me of it - pastebin.com/pSUAEzBr - specifically lines three through five of that log.
As for Gold Girl, there are logs of them explaining how I 'drove them away'. pastebin.com/H6HQX8Lx - Lines 307-321 are their explanation. What actually happened during the round they mentioned was that they were making disruptive comments in chat with colors and such, and I told them to stop since people were trying to play and it was disruptive. Their response was to do it more, claiming that they'd stop when I wasn't being a 'whiny bitch' about it. A couple other people also asked them to stop, and they continued to do it more and harass them as well, on top of continually calling me a 'bitch'. So, I reported it, as per rule one of Frosty's server(If someone is breaking the rules, it will not help to start an argument. Instead, use the report function under "Functions" with a detailed description of the problem and logs of the incident, if possible.). That was the extent of my involvement with Gold Girl, which means this particular example is me being punished for following the rules of the server, and someone apparently being 'scared' that the rules would actually be enforced on them.
With those two hilariously pointless examples out of the way, it leaves the 'more chances than you deserved' bit. This implies that I did something wrong during the round I was banned in. However, as I fully explained in the conversation with Frosty, I violated no rules and only defended myself from an RA, the killer, and the accomplice. The round itself was a horrible mess, as it was directly after two normals were vote ended in the first two minutes back to back. Nobody was playing seriously, everyone was running around and not really roleplaying, it was a mess of a round on par with a Shrek or Cory round. Even then, I put a bit of effort into roleplaying, emoting my attacks even when attacked randomly, warning people I'd attack them if they did something, the usual things. They also wanted to ban Chaayal and Super, despite neither of them doing anything wrong either.
The 'more chances' is the confusing bit. There was only one time I had ever even been remotely in trouble, and it was for supposedly only killing males. However, the round I was accused of doing this was a Death Note round where I, as Kira, killed every last student. Despite this, however, I was accused of specifically targetting guys and was told very clearly I'd be banned if I continued to 'target' guys. There was also talk of how it was somehow a long-standing problem that had been discussed by everyone for a long time, even though nobody knew what was being talked about at all. Somehow, I have to assume this equally absurd case was these 'more chances than I deserved'. Personally, I feel it's hardly a 'chance' if you're never told about it, but there was never any clarification about what 'chances' I was given. Further, if I was in the middle of having been given a chance, I hardly fail to see how I did something wrong with that chance.
So, I am currently banned for the following - Existing during the same time as Sarah, reporting someone as per the rules of Frosty's server, and existing in a round where people could try to pin things on me. Every single thing that was levelled against me is easily and quickly demonstrated as outright false, with evidence and confessions from the people I supposedly wronged that it wasn't the way it was presented to me.
This brings me to how I am supposedly too hostile for the community.
In the second log - pastebin.com/pSUAEzBr - We have things such as Gold Girl saying that me not interacting with them and instead reporting them is me 'whining to get them banned'(Line 42), Witch of Miracles Bernkastel talking about sending me pager harassment and then talking about how they want to torture me to death(lines 66, 148-153, 203-208), and all with Frosty saying nothing. Somehow, me reporting someone as per the rules is more hostile than talking about wanting to torture someone to death.
I have also recieved some pager harassment from Lorenzo2, after my ban, which was apparently coordinated in chat on Frosty's server with nobody stepping in - (2:38:05 pm) LORENZO2: Transvestite,derp. (2:38:08 pm) LORENZO2: There,I did it.
Then, in the third log - pastebin.com/H6HQX8Lx - There are instances of Frosty linking pictures insulting me and saying I deserved the ban for daring to be upset on my own time in my own server when talking to people I know about the ban, and then saying I broke rules by killing male players and was in the wrong to follow the demand not to kill males(Lines 238, 187-190, 198-211), as well as outright saying they 'don't believe' that I had nothing to do with Sarah quitting after Sarah had already been personally asked(lines 278-291). The bit about deserving the ban for being upset is especially ludicrous, because it's like someone walking up to you at random, hitting you in the face as hard as possible, and then saying you deserved it for being upset when you get upset afterwards.
So, supposedly, I am too hostile for the community, while people can insult me freely, lie about things I couldn't have done, lie and twist the situation that multiple people witnessed, as well as link and make things directly insulting me without it being hostile. It's a ridiculous double standard, and makes no sense. Not to mention that for a couple weeks straight, people were instantly jumping on and insulting everyone who said anything even remotely negative about me. It seems that, so long as the hostility is directed at someone the community dislikes, Frosty doesn't care at all.
The whole situation is incredibly absurd, and only made worse by Frosty's reluctance to actually discuss things. Despite me supposedly causing so many problems, including apparently being part of some kind of 'hoarder list' on that server, nobody ever says anything to me about it other than the one time to complain I was killing males, as the killer.
So, hopefully, this will at least help all two of you who read this entire mess of crap to understand the situation, and help make it so that when I end up quitting due to the constant harassment I don't get remembered as some crazy RKer who did nothing but harass people, when that's not a thing I ever have done. That is, assuming this doesn't get instantly deleted for being too hostile.
To make the thread more fun for the people who actually read the monstrous wall of text, why don't you reply with how you'd personally like to torture me to death? Methods and everything, because it's apparently allowed by Frosty.
