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Post by Kamuna on Oct 21, 2014 3:41:41 GMT
I say let the people in power handle it later.
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Post by Egil on Oct 21, 2014 11:51:59 GMT
If that's best, then I'll just have to hope that those with power don't protect people who do this sort of thing just because they're friends.
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Post by Egil on Oct 21, 2014 21:44:19 GMT
i59.tinypic.com/xn6g5y.pngJust another example. Of course, mini-hosts were there to address the issue, but people leaving their tags unclosed (and some idiotically pasting ridiculous CSS code rather than simply, more confined HTML code) can lead to problems/errors in logs that force the mods to reboot constantly, and not all of these issues are seen until one looks at logs.
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Post by Tanasinn on Oct 21, 2014 22:42:49 GMT
What even is the purpose of this topic? Boohoo, I can't handle colors in my chat, so we should take away all HTML formatting from everyone forever?
Not only that, it's yet another example of you simply not understand how anything works, actually blaming font tags for rounds stalling. Not to mention, the bit about 'unclosed tags'? Yeah, that's a problem already caused by IN-GAME things. Getting rid of random people being able to use HTML won't solve anything for large log files.
This suggestion topic boils down to nothing more than 'I don't like this thing in rare instances on servers with no moderation or rule enforcement at all, so remove it everywhere'. It's stupid, self-centered, and not thought out in even the tiniest bit.
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Post by Egil on Oct 21, 2014 23:08:42 GMT
I think that your ad hominem is misplaced, Tanasin. I'm not suggesting a complete and total removal of HTML/CSS. I'm merely suggesting that perhaps it should be disabled by default for non-hosts/mini-hosts. To refine the idea, giving hosts the ability to allow anyone to use HTML or completely disabling it for their server would be great options to implement as well.
This topic is meant to prompt discussion about the issue- which, contrary to your passive aggressive argument, isn't a rare instance that only occurs on servers with no moderation/rule enforcement- because I felt like it was a worth discussing. I appreciate your reply, though, because it allowed me to make sure it's known exactly what I'm suggesting and why exactly I've posted this topic!
Lastly, though, this is indeed bourne from Shi's threat that she would spam large font if people continued to ask her to not misuse HTML. I've never said that I want HTML universally disabled just because I happen to not like it if colored/large text is used in chat/watcher, but that opinion of mine is a big portion of why I have the stance that I do on the issue. I put plenty of thought into this topic and tried to make it not 'stupid' and 'self-centered', but it's okay if you don't agree.
Once again, thanks for posting! I appreciate it! (:
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Post by Tanasinn on Oct 21, 2014 23:37:07 GMT
There is no passive aggression here, merely normal aggression. You ARE suggesting a complete and total removal of HTML - "I very much believe that, like on the predecessors of this game, HTML should be restricted" - and it's not going to result in any 'discussion' because there's both nothing to discuss, and nobody cares enough to do so. It also very much is a thing that happens only on servers with no moderation. Let me just think about the last time such a thing happened on my server. Nope, can't think of any that didn't end in the person banned and never coming back.
It is stupid because you put no effort or thought into it whatsoever, as your complaints and issues are a problem with a server being unregulated, as opposed to an actual suggestion for the betterment of the game. It doesn't even belong in this particular section of the forum.
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Post by Egil on Oct 21, 2014 23:49:14 GMT
Well, I think there's plenty to discuss, ie whether or not allowing HTML is actually an issue that people care about and, if it is, what do people think about it? And if nobody cares enough to discuss this with me beyond you, then the suggestion is moot and goes nowhere, which is completely fine.
The "I very much believe that, like on the predecessors of this game, HTML should be restricted" is not the suggestion. It is me stating my opinion. The suggestion portion is given with the rest of that sentence, along with further explaining of what I meant in my second post. If it doesn't happen on your server, then it's completely understandable as to why you would be against a restriction of HTML, regardless of how it was implemented and even if it could be switched off.
However, just because the initial post isn't an essay or 1000+ words doesn't mean that I didn't put in effort, nor does me using a negative incident as support for why I feel the way I feel on the perceived issue make this not an actual suggestion for the betterment of the game and, thus, had no thought put into it 'whatsoever'. Sure, I could've put it in the general section, but I initially decided to put it here because I felt strongly enough about the issue that I thought it belonged better here. If it actually doesn't, then I'd appreciate it if a mod could move it!
I digress, though- I'm not here to discuss the nature of how the topic came into being or the validity of the topic, because those are red herrings. The point is to discuss the actual concept. I feel that giving hosts the option to disable HTML would not affect your server, but would give hosts and their mini-hosts more tools at their disposal to use beyond mutes, boots, and bans, which I'm always for. That's all.
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Post by ufufu on Oct 24, 2014 9:25:32 GMT
Here's my 5c.
Suggestions: - The option to Enable/Disable HTML tags - Choice to allow in IC, on papers, in chat, or in watcher separately. - Able to choose specific tags that are allowed or disallowed (Ie, Bold and Italics, but not color, size, or line breaks.) - Restrict the maximum 'size'. - Allow or disallow Hosts/Minihosts from using them. - 'Tag Mute' people that use tags disruptively (block their tags, or simply block their posts when it contains a tag.)
And as for people leaving tags open:
- Add a filter to detect HTML tags (ex. I, B, U, Size, Color) and automatically prepend the relevant closing tag (s) on the end of the post.
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